My Siren Weapons and thoughts on the weapons

Well yeah legendarys arent always good

but i'm sure you get more excited when you see a legendary on the ground than when you see a white green blue or purple

Well obviously because they have the potential to be better and are seen less often.  But what does that have to do with anything?

Did you even read the post because I mentioned that I use Legendaries.

Tyyl, Shadaisy2312 hit it right on the head.

The comparison of Legendaries isn't with other Legendaries.  You said it yourself- if randomly generated, it's only natural some of them are going to get sucky stats.  There will thus be OMG 133+ Legendaries... and crappy, weaksauce ones.

These crappy oranges should be compared with guns of lesser rarity.  Certainly, at the same level requirement they shouldn't be only as strong or effective as a yellow or purple.  Even the weakest crap Legendary should still outclass guns of lesser rarity- if they did, then the system would definitely be broken.

Also: the term "Legendary" is misleading.  That's why it's disappointing.

Borderlands' rarity system was taken from World of Wacraft.  In WoW, oranges are iconic, canon storyline-based, almost one-of-a-kind, insanely hard to get items.  They are or were wielded by major characters in that game's story.  As an example, the staff of one of that game's greatest mages had to be assembled from 40 rare drops from the game's then top raids.  That's a lot of hours of labor and chance just to get that legendary.

Borderlands uses the same term but don't apply the same extreme requirements to get such weapons.  By borrowing the system, Gearbox used an inappropriate term for Borderlands' top items.

The way i see it, the greater the rarity of the item, the higher the base stats. Everything after that is random generated. I suppose that the orange and other higher types have more chance of greater random stats and effects, but it is also possible to receive a green item that is just as effective. Granted, considerably less likely to occur, but still a slim possibility. I believe there is another post in the gun forum about the effectiveness of white and green weapons. So basically the higher the rarity, the greater possibilty of higher stats. This is my take on it, and i may be completly of track. Hopefully there is a small shred of truth in this convuluted mess of a post.

Hey Tyyl, what system are you playing it on? I just found a level 48 Combustion Hellfire, but i play on PS3, so if you play on PS3, your in luck. I also have been playing a Siren, and i lover her to death. I played the first time through as a soldier, and he was ok, but the Siren literally rapes when you pair her with a good elemental gun for the right enemies. Right now Im set up for speed runs through Crimson fastness, so im using 4 different corrode weapons.

I know what you mean about the legendaries, most all of them i have gotten suck compared to purples i have of the same gun and same level. I Use to never use greens, but now im finding that with the siren, a green machine gun or smg with a x2 elemental does way more damage than than a purple of the same gun with 2 times the damge points. So im with you, i would much rather find a good elemental gun than a crappy "legendary" any day.

Also, i found one of those mods with the "+2 find rare items" on it on my first playthrough with a soldier. It wasn't the only reason i decided to play a siren next, but it sure was the bump i needed to make the choice. I also got a level 45 one of those recently, and those are the only mods i have ever equipped.

So if you, or anyone with level 48 elemental guns want to trade for some level 48 legendaries, hit me up on PSN, tag "Roadsurfer"!

Maybe I wasn't being clear.  I wasn't complaining about legendaries at all.   I love almost every aspect of this game.

To give you an idea.  I have been sick since the game came out and have spent my time (about 12-14 hours a day) in bed playing it.  I was merely stating that it isn't always the case, that legendaries are the best.  I guess an obvious statement to anyone that has played a bit.

My only complaints would be that money doesn't show past 9999999 (even though it is calculated) and that added bonuses aren't listed on the character sheet (ie +4 girl power doesn't show up on the tree with what the total bonus is now at).

I play on PS3.

Send a message to Thualin.

I should be on all night.  My sleep schedule is way out of whack right now.

Very cool discussion here. I've seen a lot of people showing off their guns but not much analysis into how the system is really working.

From playing throught the game with two people through two playthroughs, i really did learn that the different characters do play differently. With both my characters, the soldier and siren, i speced them to rely on their action skills, maxing them out to what i thought would be most effective. Withthe soldier, its easy to run out into the middle of a firefight, lay waste until your shield depletes, throw down the turret and take cover, and see where your at when the dust settles. I used some elemental guns with him, but unless it was a x3, it just didn't seem like it was effective enough of a tradeoff in power to use an underpowered gun with elemental effects.

The siren however plays totally differently, as long as you max her out in the spark skill as soon as possible. With the spark skill, and for added effect some class bonuses to elemental effect and damage, those elementals become so much more deadly. even a x1 TMP can take out most any badass (except for bruisers, psychos, and shielded guys) in one 20 round clip. I also have her phasewalk skill maxed, so i run out guns spraying, wait till shield depletes, phase blast, and run for cover (not always necessary, because with high level shields they recharge while phase walking). I do however notice myself now paying a lot more attention to greens, as i have found some devastating x4 maliwan guns that are green! And for rocket launchers, sometimes x4's are white! I understand that its the combination of parts that go into the gun which determines its stats and rareity, but in the later game, and especially with the siren, sometimes the whole is much more than just the sum of it's parts. Just my two cents!

You know after your post and adding me to your friends list Roadsurfer, I logged in and got two Hellfires (one in the vending machine and the other a drop) and it got me thinking again.  

With Legendary weapons it is a matter of finding a Legendary "base weapon" that I think fits my play style, like the Hellfire, and then keep hunting for those until the other stats line up with something worth using.  A Legendary isn't always all that great, but if the base type is good then eventually one will drop with the other stats that make it great.

And as to the Siren specs..I am Controller/Assassin now and I am having no problems with anything in the game.  The only time I come close to dying is when I go crazy and just run head long into a pack and they start getting lucky shots in or one of them suprises me with a blast from a static gun (I hate those things).

 My spec is:

                                       Phasewalk 1/1

Diva 5/5                                                                          Slayer 5/5

Inner Glow 5/5                                                               Enforcer 5/5

Hard to Get 5/5 / Girl Power 5/5                                  High velocity 5/5 / Blackout 5/5

Mind Games 5/5

And it seems to work well...I used to be Controller/Elemental, but like this setup more.